Comments on: Beware upgradeware http://successfulsoftware.net/2007/11/25/beware-upgradeware/ Successful software requires more than just good programming. Thu, 21 Aug 2008 05:49:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: Hugh O'Regan http://successfulsoftware.net/2007/11/25/beware-upgradeware/#comment-5653 Hugh O'Regan Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:59:30 +0000 http://successfulsoftware.net/2007/11/25/beware-upgradeware/#comment-5653 Andy, You know that has happened to me once or twice in the past. However, right now I cannot reproduce it on the 30 row test table I just created. You told me that this happened on versions 8 and 10 for you. And I am using version 9 so I am not sure I can help. One of the reasons why I stick with NOF is that it has a dedicated user group which does a tremendous job of supporting each other. The group is free and open to all. I am sure that they will be able to help you. NOF Usergroups may be found at: http://netobjects.com/html/newsgroups.html I will bet that someone will step forward and provide a solution. These are not NOF employees only users who have stuck with the product. Hugh Andy,

You know that has happened to me once or twice in the past. However, right now I cannot
reproduce it on the 30 row test table I just created. You told me that this happened on
versions 8 and 10 for you. And I am using version 9 so I am not sure I can help.

One of the reasons why I stick with NOF is that it has a dedicated user group which does
a tremendous job of supporting each other. The group is free and open to all. I am sure that
they will be able to help you.

NOF Usergroups may be found at:
http://netobjects.com/html/newsgroups.html

I will bet that someone will step forward and provide a solution. These are not NOF employees
only users who have stuck with the product.

Hugh

]]> By: Andy Brice http://successfulsoftware.net/2007/11/25/beware-upgradeware/#comment-5633 Andy Brice Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:25:58 +0000 http://successfulsoftware.net/2007/11/25/beware-upgradeware/#comment-5633 Hugh, Have you found the problem where clicking in a table scrolls to the top of the table (even if its a huge table)? If so, do you know a workaround? Hugh,

Have you found the problem where clicking in a table scrolls to the top of the table (even if its a huge table)? If so, do you know a workaround?

]]> By: Hugh O'Regan http://successfulsoftware.net/2007/11/25/beware-upgradeware/#comment-5632 Hugh O'Regan Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:33:54 +0000 http://successfulsoftware.net/2007/11/25/beware-upgradeware/#comment-5632 hmmmmmm. My website address did not display in my last message. Maybe I violated some rule about URL's I apologize if I did. If you want to see a NOF site, google me with: "votf san francisco" the title is Voice of the Faithful Northern California. Here is the URL again if you don't see it do the google. http://www.votf-sf.org hmmmmmm. My website address did not display in my last message.
Maybe I violated some rule about URL’s I apologize if I did.

If you want to see a NOF site, google me with: “votf san francisco”
the title is Voice of the Faithful Northern California. Here is the
URL again if you don’t see it do the google.

http://www.votf-sf.org

]]> By: Hugh O'Regan http://successfulsoftware.net/2007/11/25/beware-upgradeware/#comment-5631 Hugh O'Regan Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:23:39 +0000 http://successfulsoftware.net/2007/11/25/beware-upgradeware/#comment-5631 I ran across your email message because I was looking for a free Version 9 On NetObjects Fusion. I have a paid version but was looking for another copy for a non-profit organization in San Francisco which does not have a lot of cash on-hand. Here is my reply, and no I am not a shill for NetObjects..... just a user. I love this product, in my opinion it is the most underrated WYSIWUG Web editor out there. I started with Version 2 and have upgraded to 4, 6,7, and 9. I have not upgraded to 10 so I cannot comment. (I do not upgrade unless I need the new features, that is an old lesson that I have learned. I did experience bugs in NOF in the early versions but they were always corrected in the versions bug fixes. In my opinion there is not a product out there that will allow the user to create and maintain a small, medium or large sized website as easily as NOF. Learning the product is deceptively simple and I also learned that with NOF using tables helps tremendously. Here is one of my web sites which I used NOF to create and maintain. Hugh O'Regan I ran across your email message because I was looking for a free Version 9 On NetObjects Fusion.
I have a paid version but was looking for another copy for a non-profit organization in San Francisco which does not have a lot of cash on-hand. Here is my reply, and no I am not a shill
for NetObjects….. just a user.

I love this product, in my opinion it is the most underrated WYSIWUG Web editor out there. I started with Version 2 and have upgraded to
4, 6,7, and 9. I have not upgraded to 10 so I cannot comment. (I do not upgrade unless I need the new features, that is an old lesson that
I have learned.

I did experience bugs in NOF in the early versions but they were always corrected in the versions bug fixes. In my opinion there is not a product out there that will allow the user to create and maintain a small, medium or large sized website as easily as NOF.

Learning the product is deceptively simple and I also learned that
with NOF using tables helps tremendously.

Here is one of my web sites which I used NOF to create and maintain.

Hugh O’Regan

]]> By: Andy Brice http://successfulsoftware.net/2007/11/25/beware-upgradeware/#comment-5427 Andy Brice Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:46:25 +0000 http://successfulsoftware.net/2007/11/25/beware-upgradeware/#comment-5427 Sergey, I have fixed the link now. Thanks. Sergey,

I have fixed the link now. Thanks.

]]> By: Sergey Kornilov http://successfulsoftware.net/2007/11/25/beware-upgradeware/#comment-5420 Sergey Kornilov Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:42:26 +0000 http://successfulsoftware.net/2007/11/25/beware-upgradeware/#comment-5420 Andy, the "contact me with a quote" link is incorrect. Andy,

the “contact me with a quote” link is incorrect.

]]> By: Brit http://successfulsoftware.net/2007/11/25/beware-upgradeware/#comment-5416 Brit Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:34:49 +0000 http://successfulsoftware.net/2007/11/25/beware-upgradeware/#comment-5416 I bought NetObjects back when it was in version 4. When a new version came out, I was hoping that it would be more powerful and more stable than the last version, so I upgraded. I found the newer version to be just as unstable and have all kinds of quirks. If I remember correctly, I didn't think it was any worse or better than the previous version, but I was pretty irritated that I had spent money on an upgrade and gotten nothing better than my previous version. I decided that I wasn't ever going to upgrade NetObjects again. A while later, I got the NetObject 8 with 1and1 as well. It really isn't any better than NetObjects 4 in my opinion. Further, NetObjects 8 has some quirky behavior where the items appear in dramatically different positions on the webpage than they do in the editor (which is infuriating). It seems like the NetObjects team is changing stuff, but I wouldn't really call it "improvements". It seems like a lot of lateral movement back and forth - maybe then underlying source code is a complete lemon, and they can't change anything without accidentally breaking something. I bought NetObjects back when it was in version 4. When a new version came out, I was hoping that it would be more powerful and more stable than the last version, so I upgraded. I found the newer version to be just as unstable and have all kinds of quirks. If I remember correctly, I didn’t think it was any worse or better than the previous version, but I was pretty irritated that I had spent money on an upgrade and gotten nothing better than my previous version. I decided that I wasn’t ever going to upgrade NetObjects again. A while later, I got the NetObject 8 with 1and1 as well. It really isn’t any better than NetObjects 4 in my opinion. Further, NetObjects 8 has some quirky behavior where the items appear in dramatically different positions on the webpage than they do in the editor (which is infuriating). It seems like the NetObjects team is changing stuff, but I wouldn’t really call it “improvements”. It seems like a lot of lateral movement back and forth - maybe then underlying source code is a complete lemon, and they can’t change anything without accidentally breaking something.

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