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	<description>Successful software requires more than just good programming.</description>
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		<title>By: Logan</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2008/02/27/the-great-digital-certificate-ripoff/#comment-10218</link>
		<dc:creator>Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 01:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post, very informative.

@ Louis: I feel your pain. This is a total sham and we ought to put pressure on Microsoft to alleviate this problem.

There's absolutely no justification for requiring a $400 code certificate to qualify for a compatibility logo! Signing has nothing to do with compatibility. I can understand requiring a piece of software BE signed, for the user's sake, but to require a SPECIFIC (and the absolute most expensive) certificate is a complete and utter outrage.

Spending this kind of money is not even an option for me. I can barely justify the $75 for a Tucows/Comodo cert, but thank goodness there is this option.

You would think MS would want to encourage people to meet logo requirements, not scare them away by making it some sort of elites-only club.

*vent steam*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, very informative.</p>
<p>@ Louis: I feel your pain. This is a total sham and we ought to put pressure on Microsoft to alleviate this problem.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s absolutely no justification for requiring a $400 code certificate to qualify for a compatibility logo! Signing has nothing to do with compatibility. I can understand requiring a piece of software BE signed, for the user&#8217;s sake, but to require a SPECIFIC (and the absolute most expensive) certificate is a complete and utter outrage.</p>
<p>Spending this kind of money is not even an option for me. I can barely justify the $75 for a Tucows/Comodo cert, but thank goodness there is this option.</p>
<p>You would think MS would want to encourage people to meet logo requirements, not scare them away by making it some sort of elites-only club.</p>
<p>*vent steam*</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Smith</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2008/02/27/the-great-digital-certificate-ripoff/#comment-10112</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for taking the time to post this article.  I was about to sign up directly with Comodo for $179.00 until your article pointed me to the tucows.com site where it was discounted to $75.00, saving me $104.00 thanks to you.  I had previously been using Thawte for my code signing certificate for which I had paid $109.00 at my last renewal date.  This time around, though, they bumped the price 174% to $299.00.  When I asked for an explanation, they dropped the price to only a 128% increase or $249.00 (with no explanation).  I felt that was outrageous and refused to renew with them I am glad Comodo and tucows are here to keep this market honest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking the time to post this article.  I was about to sign up directly with Comodo for $179.00 until your article pointed me to the tucows.com site where it was discounted to $75.00, saving me $104.00 thanks to you.  I had previously been using Thawte for my code signing certificate for which I had paid $109.00 at my last renewal date.  This time around, though, they bumped the price 174% to $299.00.  When I asked for an explanation, they dropped the price to only a 128% increase or $249.00 (with no explanation).  I felt that was outrageous and refused to renew with them I am glad Comodo and tucows are here to keep this market honest.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2008/02/27/the-great-digital-certificate-ripoff/#comment-9454</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reading this article made it worth reading your blog. Good Job Andy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reading this article made it worth reading your blog. Good Job Andy.</p>
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		<title>By: KK</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2008/02/27/the-great-digital-certificate-ripoff/#comment-9413</link>
		<dc:creator>KK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 07:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going through the Vista logo certificate pain right now.  I can barely swallow the $99 certificate for establishing an account with Winqual.  When I asked Microsoft, whether I can use the $99 certificate for Vista Logo Certificate but not Works with Vista program.  I have a Comodo digital certificate already.  My question wasn't answered directly and told me to buy the $399 certificate for hardware submission while my product is a software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going through the Vista logo certificate pain right now.  I can barely swallow the $99 certificate for establishing an account with Winqual.  When I asked Microsoft, whether I can use the $99 certificate for Vista Logo Certificate but not Works with Vista program.  I have a Comodo digital certificate already.  My question wasn&#8217;t answered directly and told me to buy the $399 certificate for hardware submission while my product is a software.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Kessler</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2008/02/27/the-great-digital-certificate-ripoff/#comment-9134</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis Kessler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. You told me a few things I didn't know before.

Several years ago, I checked out all the Code Signing Vendors. I settled on Comodo and paid them their $99 annual fee. The next year I was kicking myself that I didn't get it for 3 years, because I found they had raised it to $179.

I don't think the price you list for Comodo is correct. I believe it is still $180 for 1 year (down to $167 per year for 3 years). The "$119.95" link you provide to their Certificate page shows me the prices I was used to, and nowhere do I see the price you state. I

But first of all, thank you very much for the links to the resellers. I for one will be very happy to pay $75 a year to Tucows. I already use Tucows for their dirt-cheap domain registration.

Now, with regards to the Microsoft ‘works with Vista’ program: I attempted to sign up with when it had a couple of months left to go. I was ready to go through the work to make my application, still in alpha testing, completely Vista compatible. It would have been painful, but worth it to me to get the Certified for Vista label.

I already had Comodo as my digital certificate provider. As you know Windows computers recognizes Comodo and treats it as a known commodity. What Microsoft required was a digital certificate to prove ---whatever--- just so I can join their program. Okay, so that's not so bad, but JUST TO JOIN their "free-to-join" program, they required I buy that "special" $99 Verisign digital certificate. Comodo wasn't accepted for this. 

Well, I'm sorry, but that p--ssed me off enough that I sent in my complaints and received the same "sorry, but you need Verisign" answers with no adequate explanation as to why.

But your little story above, really helps to clarify all this for me. Thank you.

This was only one of the hoops and barriers in Microsoft's Vista Logo program. But it was the straw that broke my camel's back.

It's no wonder why Microsoft didn't get anywhere near the signups they expected for their logo program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. You told me a few things I didn&#8217;t know before.</p>
<p>Several years ago, I checked out all the Code Signing Vendors. I settled on Comodo and paid them their $99 annual fee. The next year I was kicking myself that I didn&#8217;t get it for 3 years, because I found they had raised it to $179.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the price you list for Comodo is correct. I believe it is still $180 for 1 year (down to $167 per year for 3 years). The &#8220;$119.95&#8243; link you provide to their Certificate page shows me the prices I was used to, and nowhere do I see the price you state. I</p>
<p>But first of all, thank you very much for the links to the resellers. I for one will be very happy to pay $75 a year to Tucows. I already use Tucows for their dirt-cheap domain registration.</p>
<p>Now, with regards to the Microsoft ‘works with Vista’ program: I attempted to sign up with when it had a couple of months left to go. I was ready to go through the work to make my application, still in alpha testing, completely Vista compatible. It would have been painful, but worth it to me to get the Certified for Vista label.</p>
<p>I already had Comodo as my digital certificate provider. As you know Windows computers recognizes Comodo and treats it as a known commodity. What Microsoft required was a digital certificate to prove &#8212;whatever&#8212; just so I can join their program. Okay, so that&#8217;s not so bad, but JUST TO JOIN their &#8220;free-to-join&#8221; program, they required I buy that &#8220;special&#8221; $99 Verisign digital certificate. Comodo wasn&#8217;t accepted for this. </p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m sorry, but that p&#8211;ssed me off enough that I sent in my complaints and received the same &#8220;sorry, but you need Verisign&#8221; answers with no adequate explanation as to why.</p>
<p>But your little story above, really helps to clarify all this for me. Thank you.</p>
<p>This was only one of the hoops and barriers in Microsoft&#8217;s Vista Logo program. But it was the straw that broke my camel&#8217;s back.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no wonder why Microsoft didn&#8217;t get anywhere near the signups they expected for their logo program.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Haughton</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2008/02/27/the-great-digital-certificate-ripoff/#comment-8902</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Haughton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can feel a bit of "Micro ISV Power" coming on. Perhaps a letter/petition to your MEP is called for, I know I'd happily sign it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can feel a bit of &#8220;Micro ISV Power&#8221; coming on. Perhaps a letter/petition to your MEP is called for, I know I&#8217;d happily sign it.</p>
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		<title>By: fabiopedrosa</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2008/02/27/the-great-digital-certificate-ripoff/#comment-8866</link>
		<dc:creator>fabiopedrosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"GlobalSign is a Microsoft approved Certification Authority for Authenticode technology and ObjectSign can be used to sign applications intended to be run on the Windows 9x, XP and Vista operating systems."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;GlobalSign is a Microsoft approved Certification Authority for Authenticode technology and ObjectSign can be used to sign applications intended to be run on the Windows 9x, XP and Vista operating systems.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Brice</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2008/02/27/the-great-digital-certificate-ripoff/#comment-8854</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Brice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jan,

I hadn't heard of globalsign. At $229 per year they are positioned between Comodo and Thawte. I couldn't find out from their website exactly which versions of Windows their certificates are valid for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jan,</p>
<p>I hadn&#8217;t heard of globalsign. At $229 per year they are positioned between Comodo and Thawte. I couldn&#8217;t find out from their website exactly which versions of Windows their certificates are valid for.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Goyvaerts</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2008/02/27/the-great-digital-certificate-ripoff/#comment-8852</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Goyvaerts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.globalsign.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;GlobalSign&lt;/a&gt; also sells code signing certificates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.globalsign.com" rel="nofollow">GlobalSign</a> also sells code signing certificates.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Brice</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2008/02/27/the-great-digital-certificate-ripoff/#comment-8846</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Brice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question:
"In recent decades, the term has also been used to mean raising the question"</description>
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&#8220;In recent decades, the term has also been used to mean raising the question&#8221;</p>
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