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		<title>By: Bartosz</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2009/01/26/marketing-software-through-affiliates/#comment-13817</link>
		<dc:creator>Bartosz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I had free affiliate registrations on shareit I had plenty of orders made with stolen credit cards ;), I guess it works because:

1. Carders buys my software
2. They gets 20% commision fee
3. Refund is issued but those 20% stays in carder&#039;s pocket ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I had free affiliate registrations on shareit I had plenty of orders made with stolen credit cards <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> , I guess it works because:</p>
<p>1. Carders buys my software<br />
2. They gets 20% commision fee<br />
3. Refund is issued but those 20% stays in carder&#8217;s pocket <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Что нужно для организации продаж через аффилиат-партнеров? &#124; Avangate Blog - Software Business Blog</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2009/01/26/marketing-software-through-affiliates/#comment-13070</link>
		<dc:creator>Что нужно для организации продаж через аффилиат-партнеров? &#124; Avangate Blog - Software Business Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Многие продавцы софта задумываются над этим вопросом и, к сожалению, часто приходят к выводу, что &#8220;аффилиат-маркетинг не работает&#8221; или как в подобном случае говорит Джоэл Сполски &#8211; это &#8220;большая трата времени&#8220;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Многие продавцы софта задумываются над этим вопросом и, к сожалению, часто приходят к выводу, что &#8220;аффилиат-маркетинг не работает&#8221; или как в подобном случае говорит Джоэл Сполски &#8211; это &#8220;большая трата времени&#8220;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Professional association software</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2009/01/26/marketing-software-through-affiliates/#comment-12977</link>
		<dc:creator>Professional association software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Affiliates are nice, although it does kind of stink giving up a large % of your profits. It&#039;s still better than not having any additional revenue though.
-Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Affiliates are nice, although it does kind of stink giving up a large % of your profits. It&#8217;s still better than not having any additional revenue though.<br />
-Jack</p>
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		<title>By: Gustav</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2009/01/26/marketing-software-through-affiliates/#comment-12970</link>
		<dc:creator>Gustav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marketing using affiliates works but, in my case at Regnow i have more of 500 relationships with affiliates but only one or two of them generates sales. But i&#039;am not happy with his extended download service..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marketing using affiliates works but, in my case at Regnow i have more of 500 relationships with affiliates but only one or two of them generates sales. But i&#8217;am not happy with his extended download service..</p>
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		<title>By: Selling through Affiliates Best Practices. Part One – Affiliates Info Page &#124; Avangate Blog - Software Business Blog</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2009/01/26/marketing-software-through-affiliates/#comment-12751</link>
		<dc:creator>Selling through Affiliates Best Practices. Part One – Affiliates Info Page &#124; Avangate Blog - Software Business Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Welcome to the Avangate Blog, the place to hang out if you have a software business.Here’s one for you: subscribe to our RSS feed and get served immediately. Enjoy your reading!Lots of software vendors ask themselves this question and, unfortunately, I&#8217;ve seen cases when the conclusion they reach is that &#8220;affiliate marketing doesn&#8217;t work&#8221; or as Joel Spolsky says, in his case, it&#8217;s &#8220; a big waste of time&#8220;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Welcome to the Avangate Blog, the place to hang out if you have a software business.Here’s one for you: subscribe to our RSS feed and get served immediately. Enjoy your reading!Lots of software vendors ask themselves this question and, unfortunately, I&#8217;ve seen cases when the conclusion they reach is that &#8220;affiliate marketing doesn&#8217;t work&#8221; or as Joel Spolsky says, in his case, it&#8217;s &#8220; a big waste of time&#8220;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Niheel</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2009/01/26/marketing-software-through-affiliates/#comment-12333</link>
		<dc:creator>Niheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can still use affiliate marketing principles without having to deal with outside affiliate marketers.  Offer good discounts, monetary rewards, product access and training to your current customer base for referring or introducing your product to someone they know.  The principle is same and your dealing with people that know and like your product.  You may never know, one of them might have access to a huge audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can still use affiliate marketing principles without having to deal with outside affiliate marketers.  Offer good discounts, monetary rewards, product access and training to your current customer base for referring or introducing your product to someone they know.  The principle is same and your dealing with people that know and like your product.  You may never know, one of them might have access to a huge audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Cristian Dorobantescu</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2009/01/26/marketing-software-through-affiliates/#comment-12200</link>
		<dc:creator>Cristian Dorobantescu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as Avangate was mentioned twice (once in the article and once in the comments) I will add my feedback - it&#039;s not really impartial because I&#039;m the Avangate Affiliate Manager.

Yes, affiliate marketing doesn&#039;t work for everybody - especially if you sell B2B software (which is harder to sell with affiliate marketing - I think this is Joel&#039;s case) or if product is not well known.

But affiliate marketing works for some. Think that you would have to bring all your potential buyers to your site: let&#039;s say 1 million potential customers. Do you think that your site will be able to appear in all the searches of your potential customers? The answer should be: no...

Because they might be French and search for information on their local portals. A French affiliate could sell better than you could do in France. Or simply because people search for something that is long tail and your site doesn&#039;t have it. Affiliates can help you with that as well.

Affiliates (the ones that sell of course) are really very good web marketing experts - they experiment, test and measure until they find the best way to sell your products, while the primary risk is theirs: if they don&#039;t make the sale, they don&#039;t get paid. Affiliates can make the sales where you can&#039;t.

So let the affiliates bring you that extra boost of sales that you wouldn&#039;t normally get. The trick is not to rely on the big mass of affiliates that don&#039;t do anything for the sale but to find and work with niche affiliates - the ones that target a market where your sales could do better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as Avangate was mentioned twice (once in the article and once in the comments) I will add my feedback &#8211; it&#8217;s not really impartial because I&#8217;m the Avangate Affiliate Manager.</p>
<p>Yes, affiliate marketing doesn&#8217;t work for everybody &#8211; especially if you sell B2B software (which is harder to sell with affiliate marketing &#8211; I think this is Joel&#8217;s case) or if product is not well known.</p>
<p>But affiliate marketing works for some. Think that you would have to bring all your potential buyers to your site: let&#8217;s say 1 million potential customers. Do you think that your site will be able to appear in all the searches of your potential customers? The answer should be: no&#8230;</p>
<p>Because they might be French and search for information on their local portals. A French affiliate could sell better than you could do in France. Or simply because people search for something that is long tail and your site doesn&#8217;t have it. Affiliates can help you with that as well.</p>
<p>Affiliates (the ones that sell of course) are really very good web marketing experts &#8211; they experiment, test and measure until they find the best way to sell your products, while the primary risk is theirs: if they don&#8217;t make the sale, they don&#8217;t get paid. Affiliates can make the sales where you can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>So let the affiliates bring you that extra boost of sales that you wouldn&#8217;t normally get. The trick is not to rely on the big mass of affiliates that don&#8217;t do anything for the sale but to find and work with niche affiliates &#8211; the ones that target a market where your sales could do better.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Brice</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2009/01/26/marketing-software-through-affiliates/#comment-12108</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Brice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, you can&#039;t prove a negative. Try proving there is no god.

Unfortunately, hard data on affiliate sales is hard to come by. All I have is plenty of anecdotal evidence that most small software companies could find better things to do with their time. If you listen to Mike Dulin&#039;s sharewareradio.com podcast, pretty much every interview he asks about affiliates and the response is almost always negative.

I did approach a major chain of department stores some time back. It quickly became obvious that they wanted to royally screw me. That was retail, rather than affiliate sales though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, you can&#8217;t prove a negative. Try proving there is no god.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, hard data on affiliate sales is hard to come by. All I have is plenty of anecdotal evidence that most small software companies could find better things to do with their time. If you listen to Mike Dulin&#8217;s sharewareradio.com podcast, pretty much every interview he asks about affiliates and the response is almost always negative.</p>
<p>I did approach a major chain of department stores some time back. It quickly became obvious that they wanted to royally screw me. That was retail, rather than affiliate sales though.</p>
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		<title>By: S. Tanna</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2009/01/26/marketing-software-through-affiliates/#comment-12100</link>
		<dc:creator>S. Tanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until 1938, Coelacanths (a type of bony fish) were assumed by all leading scientists to be long extinct. Fishermen in South Africa had however been bring them ashore in their nets quite regularly, and knew all about the fish. No scientist bothered asking the fisherman however, and it&#039;s only when Marjorie Courtenay-Latimer (curator of an museum in East London) looked in one such net, that they found the fish were still alive in living in the seas.  Of course, if Courtenay-Latimer had only looked in fishing nets from England, Newfoundland, or Mexico - she wouldn&#039;t have found a Coelacanth.  

The point of this? Not finding something is not particularly good evidence of its non existence.

Joel not finding any good affiliates for his product, doesn&#039;t prove that there could never be any.  Especially if he was not really fishing at all, or fishing in the wrong waters (wrong affiliate program), or not using the right bait (not paying enough commission).

Ask yourself this - if a leading wedding company - let&#039;s say for example a major chain of department story with their online wedding lists - wanted to be your affiliate, would you want them as an affiliate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until 1938, Coelacanths (a type of bony fish) were assumed by all leading scientists to be long extinct. Fishermen in South Africa had however been bring them ashore in their nets quite regularly, and knew all about the fish. No scientist bothered asking the fisherman however, and it&#8217;s only when Marjorie Courtenay-Latimer (curator of an museum in East London) looked in one such net, that they found the fish were still alive in living in the seas.  Of course, if Courtenay-Latimer had only looked in fishing nets from England, Newfoundland, or Mexico &#8211; she wouldn&#8217;t have found a Coelacanth.  </p>
<p>The point of this? Not finding something is not particularly good evidence of its non existence.</p>
<p>Joel not finding any good affiliates for his product, doesn&#8217;t prove that there could never be any.  Especially if he was not really fishing at all, or fishing in the wrong waters (wrong affiliate program), or not using the right bait (not paying enough commission).</p>
<p>Ask yourself this &#8211; if a leading wedding company &#8211; let&#8217;s say for example a major chain of department story with their online wedding lists &#8211; wanted to be your affiliate, would you want them as an affiliate?</p>
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		<title>By: Giles</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2009/01/26/marketing-software-through-affiliates/#comment-12079</link>
		<dc:creator>Giles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy,

Thanks for this post; I &lt;a href=&quot;http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?biz.5.728994.1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;asked about Avangate&#039;s affiliate program&lt;/a&gt; on the BoS forum the other day, but it looks like no-one had anything they wanted to say about it.

We&#039;re running a promotion with Bits du Jour sometime soon, and will probably use the Avangate program as a way of simplifying the book-keeping for that, but beyond that... almost everything I read agrees with your post: avoid affiliate programs.

On the other hand, one thought based on Brian&#039;s comment above is that one could only offer affiliate status to selected people - say, the people who run opinion-forming blogs in your market, or to carefully-selected partners with complementary products.  Presumably you (or some of your other readers) have tried that...?  Or is that the &quot;these people would link to you anyway&quot; case?


Cheers,

Giles</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy,</p>
<p>Thanks for this post; I <a href="http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?biz.5.728994.1" rel="nofollow">asked about Avangate&#8217;s affiliate program</a> on the BoS forum the other day, but it looks like no-one had anything they wanted to say about it.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re running a promotion with Bits du Jour sometime soon, and will probably use the Avangate program as a way of simplifying the book-keeping for that, but beyond that&#8230; almost everything I read agrees with your post: avoid affiliate programs.</p>
<p>On the other hand, one thought based on Brian&#8217;s comment above is that one could only offer affiliate status to selected people &#8211; say, the people who run opinion-forming blogs in your market, or to carefully-selected partners with complementary products.  Presumably you (or some of your other readers) have tried that&#8230;?  Or is that the &#8220;these people would link to you anyway&#8221; case?</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Giles</p>
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