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		<title>By: Why I have bothered with the Windows 7 logo program</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2009/10/21/why-i-wont-be-bothering-with-the-windows-7-logo-program/#comment-13933</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Why I have bothered with the Windows 7 logo program]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 02:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] on his blog Andy Bryce has written some very good reasons for why he won&#8217;t be bothering with the round of Windows 7 [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Why I have bothered with the Windows 7 logo program- The Recursive ISV</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2009/10/21/why-i-wont-be-bothering-with-the-windows-7-logo-program/#comment-13372</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Why I have bothered with the Windows 7 logo program- The Recursive ISV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] on his blog Andy Bryce has written some very good reasons for why he won&#8217;t be bothering with the round of Windows 7 [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on his blog Andy Bryce has written some very good reasons for why he won&#8217;t be bothering with the round of Windows 7 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SF</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2009/10/21/why-i-wont-be-bothering-with-the-windows-7-logo-program/#comment-13302</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Outside of fortune 5000 and maybe gov/institutional/etc I&#039;ve never heard of anybody making any decision based on XP, Vista, Server certification, so I won&#039;t be going there anyways.

But an alternative graphic indicating Vista and/or Win 7 compatibility would be nice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outside of fortune 5000 and maybe gov/institutional/etc I&#8217;ve never heard of anybody making any decision based on XP, Vista, Server certification, so I won&#8217;t be going there anyways.</p>
<p>But an alternative graphic indicating Vista and/or Win 7 compatibility would be nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2009/10/21/why-i-wont-be-bothering-with-the-windows-7-logo-program/#comment-13274</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For us, the main benefit is Partner points (we get all kinds of nice benefits from being a MS certified / gold partner).  It&#039;s also a way to distinguish us from the competition and show our users that we are keeping pace with new OSs (which in our space -- property management software -- is a common problem ... many apps are 5-10 years old and some still run in DOS).

Considering the time it took me to go through the logo verification process (a few hours), I think it is a benefit.  Win 7 was far easier than Vista, which I agree was a total PITA and clearly disorganized.  Ironically, we attempted to get our app certified under Vista back in 2007 (which requires third party testing), and it failed because SQL Express 2005 wasn&#039;t certified under Vista at the time!  Pretty lame.

Getting our Partner status was also trying, but worth it.  That probably took a few days, with some frustration trying to figure out how to earn points (which is an ongoing process).

If you are a startup -- then BizSpark seems to be the way to go, since it only $100 and seems pretty hassle-free.  As for logo certification (or any other certification), seems to me that some businesses will benefit more than others.  If you are a niche app, it probably doesn&#039;t matter, but if have lots of competition, it&#039;s an easy way to get more recognition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For us, the main benefit is Partner points (we get all kinds of nice benefits from being a MS certified / gold partner).  It&#8217;s also a way to distinguish us from the competition and show our users that we are keeping pace with new OSs (which in our space &#8212; property management software &#8212; is a common problem &#8230; many apps are 5-10 years old and some still run in DOS).</p>
<p>Considering the time it took me to go through the logo verification process (a few hours), I think it is a benefit.  Win 7 was far easier than Vista, which I agree was a total PITA and clearly disorganized.  Ironically, we attempted to get our app certified under Vista back in 2007 (which requires third party testing), and it failed because SQL Express 2005 wasn&#8217;t certified under Vista at the time!  Pretty lame.</p>
<p>Getting our Partner status was also trying, but worth it.  That probably took a few days, with some frustration trying to figure out how to earn points (which is an ongoing process).</p>
<p>If you are a startup &#8212; then BizSpark seems to be the way to go, since it only $100 and seems pretty hassle-free.  As for logo certification (or any other certification), seems to me that some businesses will benefit more than others.  If you are a niche app, it probably doesn&#8217;t matter, but if have lots of competition, it&#8217;s an easy way to get more recognition.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Kessler</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2009/10/21/why-i-wont-be-bothering-with-the-windows-7-logo-program/#comment-13269</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Louis Kessler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 03:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Windows Logo Blues: http://www.beholdgenealogy.com/blog/?p=697]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Windows Logo Blues: <a href="http://www.beholdgenealogy.com/blog/?p=697" rel="nofollow">http://www.beholdgenealogy.com/blog/?p=697</a></p>
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		<title>By: Louis Kessler</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2009/10/21/why-i-wont-be-bothering-with-the-windows-7-logo-program/#comment-13268</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Louis Kessler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow. I didn&#039;t realize that everyone was having these problems with the certification process. At least it&#039;s good to know I&#039;m not alone.

The other thing that really bothers me is right now, my program is considered a &quot;legacy&quot; program by Vista/7 and Vista/7 will let it break the rules so that it will work. But if I add that manifest, then all of a sudden, the Microsoft police are at work and every rule, no matter how small, has to be obeyed or the program won&#039;t be allowed to run.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I didn&#8217;t realize that everyone was having these problems with the certification process. At least it&#8217;s good to know I&#8217;m not alone.</p>
<p>The other thing that really bothers me is right now, my program is considered a &#8220;legacy&#8221; program by Vista/7 and Vista/7 will let it break the rules so that it will work. But if I add that manifest, then all of a sudden, the Microsoft police are at work and every rule, no matter how small, has to be obeyed or the program won&#8217;t be allowed to run.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Brice</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2009/10/21/why-i-wont-be-bothering-with-the-windows-7-logo-program/#comment-13258</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy Brice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;All in all I get the feeling that the Partner and Certification process is so convoluted, obtuse and downright broken that no one from Microsoft has ever sat down and gone through the process end to end as a &#039;partner&#039; would have to.

I have challenged MS Evangalist Patrick Foley to do exactly that:
http://startuppodcast.wordpress.com/2009/05/17/show-25-andy-brice-and-perfecttableplan/ 
And Michael Lehman before him. I don&#039;t know if it ever went anywhere - I was sufficiently frustrated by the whole experience I am unlikely to try it again any time soon.

It&#039;s weird because MS seems to be putting a lot of effort into helping developers in other ways (e.g. Empower and BizSpark).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;All in all I get the feeling that the Partner and Certification process is so convoluted, obtuse and downright broken that no one from Microsoft has ever sat down and gone through the process end to end as a &#8216;partner&#8217; would have to.</p>
<p>I have challenged MS Evangalist Patrick Foley to do exactly that:<br />
<a href="http://startuppodcast.wordpress.com/2009/05/17/show-25-andy-brice-and-perfecttableplan/" rel="nofollow">http://startuppodcast.wordpress.com/2009/05/17/show-25-andy-brice-and-perfecttableplan/</a><br />
And Michael Lehman before him. I don&#8217;t know if it ever went anywhere &#8211; I was sufficiently frustrated by the whole experience I am unlikely to try it again any time soon.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s weird because MS seems to be putting a lot of effort into helping developers in other ways (e.g. Empower and BizSpark).</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2009/10/21/why-i-wont-be-bothering-with-the-windows-7-logo-program/#comment-13257</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve just published this where I talk about getting the Microsoft Certified Partner status via the ISV competency route

http://blog.ryanwheeler.co.uk/2009/10/partnering-with-microsoft/

Part of that process was to get an app certified for Windows Server 2008. To get all the &#039;benefits&#039; you&#039;ve got to submit EXACTLY the same test twice. But between Juy and Dec you&#039;ve got to do one test on 2008 and the other on 2008 R2 (aka Windows 7 server). Why?

All in all I get the feeling that the Partner and Certification process is so convoluted, obtuse and downright broken that no one from Microsoft has ever sat down and gone through the process end to end as a &#039;partner&#039; would have to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just published this where I talk about getting the Microsoft Certified Partner status via the ISV competency route</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.ryanwheeler.co.uk/2009/10/partnering-with-microsoft/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.ryanwheeler.co.uk/2009/10/partnering-with-microsoft/</a></p>
<p>Part of that process was to get an app certified for Windows Server 2008. To get all the &#8216;benefits&#8217; you&#8217;ve got to submit EXACTLY the same test twice. But between Juy and Dec you&#8217;ve got to do one test on 2008 and the other on 2008 R2 (aka Windows 7 server). Why?</p>
<p>All in all I get the feeling that the Partner and Certification process is so convoluted, obtuse and downright broken that no one from Microsoft has ever sat down and gone through the process end to end as a &#8216;partner&#8217; would have to.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis G.</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2009/10/21/why-i-wont-be-bothering-with-the-windows-7-logo-program/#comment-13255</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dennis G.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; 30 Partner Points for use in the Microsoft Partner Program (I have no idea what I would want those for)

We never bothered with any MS logo programs, but I believe it&#039;s useful if you want to become a Certified Partner, which in turn can save you a ton of money for developer and production licenses when you have a larger team (IIRC, you need 50 partner points for this).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; 30 Partner Points for use in the Microsoft Partner Program (I have no idea what I would want those for)</p>
<p>We never bothered with any MS logo programs, but I believe it&#8217;s useful if you want to become a Certified Partner, which in turn can save you a ton of money for developer and production licenses when you have a larger team (IIRC, you need 50 partner points for this).</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Brooks</title>
		<link>http://successfulsoftware.net/2009/10/21/why-i-wont-be-bothering-with-the-windows-7-logo-program/#comment-13254</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck Brooks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We stopped wasting time with MS certifications after the problems Andy pointed out, but with the Win2K effort. Interestingly, the earlier WinNT process wasn&#039;t too bad, but it must have been too simple for the bright lights in Redmond. Plus, there was no way to really know if having a Windows certification helped to make any sale. I suspect that most of our customers wouldn&#039;t care if they were made of wet sphagetti so long as they work. Today more and more of our offerings are hosted services, where MS certification is meaningless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We stopped wasting time with MS certifications after the problems Andy pointed out, but with the Win2K effort. Interestingly, the earlier WinNT process wasn&#8217;t too bad, but it must have been too simple for the bright lights in Redmond. Plus, there was no way to really know if having a Windows certification helped to make any sale. I suspect that most of our customers wouldn&#8217;t care if they were made of wet sphagetti so long as they work. Today more and more of our offerings are hosted services, where MS certification is meaningless.</p>
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